What is it with some people?

Yesterday was reset day, and I ran a lot of LFRs on my resto druid as part of my attempt to become passably proficient at it. Some groups were decent, others not so much, but all in all there was only one that I dropped because, well, frankly there was just no hope for them.

But the one thing I noticed in all of them was that there was always a small group of people obsessed with being contrary. It was not like they held differing views on strategy or anything, they just seemed to be gleefully indulging their inner two-year-olds by saying “No!” to everything.


  • Tyrant Velhari. The tank asked everyone to step into the fight area before he pulled. Three people were outside the area, just beyond where the wall would appear once the boss was engaged. None of them was afk, but none of them moved. After the second request one of them said “Just pull, [bad name], I’ll be there.” Tank pulled, you guessed it, three people were locked out.
  • Kilrogg. Group lead told everyone, before the pull, to move to the back if they got targeted by Heartseeker, and for everyone to stay out of the middle of the room. During the fight, at least 3-4 ranged plunked themselves in the middle and didn’t move for the whole fight, even when they got Heartseeker.
  • Gorefiend. Standard warning to stack on the tank during the Feast of Souls phase. At least 4 ranged DPS failed to do this, consequently the phase was over too quickly, consequently the fight went on longer than usual, some healers (like me) had mana issues, etc. The kicker was that one of the non-compliant DPS, who had admittedly high damage numbers, then blasted the group for having crappy DPS and rage quit.
  • Several bosses. HFC has quite a number of boss fights where killing the adds is far more important than targeting the boss. Every time I am in one of these fights, there are DPS who just simply refuse to switch to adds, no matter how often they are reminded to do so, and no matter how many times the group wipes because of that failure.

I understand that once in a while there may be players who do not speak English, or players not paying attention to raid chat, or whatever, and in these cases there will be a couple players not following instructions because they don’t know what the instructions are. What I don’t understand, though — and what just flummoxes me — is players who do get the instructions and simply refuse to follow them, for reasons of [fill in your favorite asshat motivation here].

Even in LFR, there are mechanics and requirements for raid awareness that are difficult for some players to grasp much less master. For example, continually running under the Iron Reaver to get behind him when he casts that barrage. For many of us, this is a nursery school level mechanic, but some players don’t get it and probably never will. Even when the mechanic is explained to them, they just don’t have the skill or coordination or computer graphics speed to execute it. This may be sad, but it is understandable. (Hey, I was one of the ones who always failed on Durumu’s maze, so who am I to judge?)

So I get that some players are just inept, and I accept that in LFR. What I don’t get, and will never really accept, is that some players are contrary buttheads who don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves.

Unfortunately, there is no real and/or quick solution to this,  and as much as I would like to blame Blizz for it, I can’t. It is a social problem in a social game. Ideally, these morons would be ostracized by the rest of the group. For example, the clod who refused to get into the Velhari fight area should have, in my opinion, been kicked. If that happened to him every time he threw one of his stubborn special snowflake tantrums, he just might change his behavior. But most groups just want to finish the run, they do not want the trouble of kicking someone and then waiting for a replacement, so it is easier to ignore — and thus encourage — bad behavior.

In an ideal world, even a virtual one, there would be social consequences to rudeness — be as mean and nasty as you like, but don’t expect to be allowed to participate in your favorite activities if you are. But laziness and apathy on the part of the many is tacit approval of the bad behavior of the few.

About Fiannor
I have a day job but escape by playing WoW. I love playing a hunter, and my Lake Wobegonian goal is to become "above average" at it.

7 Responses to What is it with some people?

  1. Let’s build on my bafflement. I don’t understand why the better-geared players are not executing the fight in text book style — hero at the right time, anticipating adds, moving to the side from barrage. There is no pride in your craft or in the work you invested to be better-geared when you stand and spam your rotation.

    • Fiannor says:

      Absolutely true. But again this is completely selfish behavior — there are no immediate consequences for them, plus they consider LFR to be an insult to their elevated status, so they do it, even though the socially responsible thing would be for them to help improve the level of LFR by teaching by example.

      In some ways, I blame cross-realm mechanisms for the increase in churlish behavior. Getting a bad rep on your server no longer has any consequences as far as your ability to get into groups. In fact, the dirtball will likely never again run across the people he/she is treating badly. Just like on the greater Internet, anonymity across WoW realms promotes anti-social behavior.

  2. A lot of people seem to be glad that LFR now has a lot of over-geared players grinding valor, but I think it’s horrible for LFR, for a couple of reasons. For one, if, by chance, someone came in with the intention of learning how to play, they’ll no longer have that opportunity, as they’ll just be carried through. Second, you have a lot of highly geared folks who just don’t want to be there. They have absolutely nothing to learn in LFR, nothing to gain other than valor. So why not just burst on pull then tab out and play some hearthstone, or just barely pay attention while watching netflix in your other monitor? There’s nothing to gain for a heroic or mythic raider by doing well in LFR. This is the problem with putting the best reward of the game (valor, as it’s the only way to get the upgrade to the best gear in the game) in content not suited for the best players in the game, instead of letting us get valor from completing normal/heroic/mythic raids.

    • Fiannor says:

      Indeed. I have recently had some of the worst experiences I have ever had in LFR, and the root cause was exactly what you describe — overgeared players, highly indignant that they must lower themselves to LFR in order to upgrade their gear, hijacking the group and running roughshod over everyone else. I favor a return to the Mists form of valor, where you could earn it in a wide range of activities including regular raids, LFR, dailies and weeklies. That way those who are insulted by LFR never have to set foot in it, those who do not belong to a raiding guild can still get valor, and everyone benefits.

      I really can’t imagine what Blizz was thinking to structure the new valor this way. Certainly this was a foreseeable consequence.

    • Still, if you did the LFR this week; most of the super over-geared players are gone. I’ve upgraded all of my pieces and I’m done with the LFR.
      It’ll be back to “normal” with one occasional LFR hero.

  3. Onwuka says:

    Three of your four examples are not necessarily examples of someone being a jerk or even selfish. Intentionally standing outside Velhari’s gate is basically the same as going AFK – I agree that is a jerk move. However, your other three examples are pretty weak examples of the point you are trying to make.

    The mechanics you’re expecting people to honor simply don’t exist in LFR or are so weak that they may as well not exist. Heartseeker doesn’t spawn multiple bloods, Feast of Souls does not do significant damage, adds have such low health that they are cleaved down quickly and often aren’t worth single targeting.

    All of these mechanics are trivialized by a handful of overgeared players. This isn’t a bug or an oversight – Blizzard has said repeatedly that this is a feature. The majority of people in an LFR, whether fresh 100s or mythic raiders, want basically the same thing – complete it quickly. Nobody wants an LFR to take forever, just like they don’t want the queue to take forever.

    If ignoring a mechanic that isn’t going to have an impact anyway increases dps and decreases run time, I’m all for ignoring it. Stand there and nuke away 150k dps mythic hunter! There is no special honor or pride in doing a meaningless mechanics dance.

    • Fiannor says:

      Yeah, I think we disagree on this. It just seems to me to be basic courtesy to do as the group leader asks, whether or not it will have an impact on your personal performance. If it really doesn’t matter, then why not do as you are asked? The only reason I can think of is the person is all hung up on proving how great they are, how they are above the rules, and how lousy therefore everyone else is. This is both rude and arrogant.

      The truly excellent players do as they are asked, they know they are good and have no need to rub others’ noses in it. If someone is as good as they think they are, a small amount of repositioning will not have any significant impact on their dps, and it will not make the run noticeably longer, but it may set an example for a less experienced player that will teach that player some techniques he/she can use in an actual raid setting.

      I don’t care if it is a game or real life, when you are high rank you have a responsibility to set a good example and to help those of lesser rank and experience to grow and develop. It’s a simple matter of being a class act or deciding to be a rude jerk.

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